I recently had the pleasure of speaking with Brainard Carey for Yale Radio about Cleavemark, my collaborative visual art with Cheryl Wassenaar, and my new series of poems, which explore the bureaucracy of the mind. I read a couple poems from Cleavemark, as well as a couple of new ones–including “The Minister of the Cabinet of Decorum” (about Louise Bourgeois) and “We all wanted the same thing but things ripped,” an ekphrastic poem about the news.